BMT with Allen & Heath ZED-R16 and Pro Tools 10

Hi,

I can't seem to get BMT to work with Pro Tools 10 and my Allen and Heath board.

I downloaded the BMT templates and followed the instructions but no luck.  I know the board is sending midi because it works with the Allen and Heath software, but not to a usable degree really.  Anyone had any luck?

 

Hi, can you provide more specifics with where you are. Maybe post your project file with a few things that you tried that are not working. I’ll be happy to help.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

I’m using pro tools 10 with an allen and heath zed 16r board/interface.  my OS is mac OS 10.7.5.   Allen and Heath suggests using BMT but also has their own software called DAW control.  So far DAW control works, but lacks functions, like transport control etc.

 

Also, someone on a forum posted this file.  Doesn’t work either.

btw, the first attachment is a template from allen and heath, i may have modified it a bit per their set up notes on the allen and heath website.

Could you show me a screen shot of how you have Pro-tools MIDI set up? You should have 3 input devices defined, all as HUI devices. BMT1 will handle the first 8 faders, BMT2 the second 8 and BMT3 for the final 4 faders. (I’m looking at the project file from A&H which I found shortly after my first response. I assume you have set up all 3 ports as HUI Devices. Maybe also you can turn on logging in MT Pro (check MIDI In and MIDI out ) and move a few faders to see what is happening.

Logging is working, fader moves are showing up.  yes, PT is set up with 3 ports, all HUI, 8 channels each.

So you see outgoing to Pro-Tools but Pro-Tools is not responding to fader movement?

midi out seems to be a red light. is that bad?

it’s blinking

midi out in event monitor is blinking red constantly .. midi in is blinking green when i make a move.

Hi Blinking lights won’t tell me anything. Need to see the actual log of what is happening showing the MIDI messages.

the monitor is active when i make moves

 

OK this is only HUI heartbeat which MT Pro is sending to Pro-tools at 900ms intervals to let Pro-tools knows the controller is “alive” What does it show when you actually move a fader? Have you set your MIDI in device correctly as your A&H? Does the incoming A&H port show as open?

Is this correct?

Here’s some shots when I move the first fader

I should also let you know that the HUI is working with the Allen and Heath DAW software, which really is just the 16 faders, not the other midi switches.

Your A&H is sending on MIDI channel 1 and the Bome project file expect channel 16.

That is why it is not working.

Did you get it working, Andy?

Still no luck.  I first switch the DAW control (allen and heath) software to channel 16, then opened BMT, still nothing.

I initially switched the DAW control to channel 1 or 2 because that’s the only way PT would react to the software.

 

 

OK, I cannot do any testing because I don’t have your controller, however if you show me the MIDI log with it set to MIDI CH 16 maybe I can help. Or you can to to Allen&Heath for help since they wrote the script.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

I guess I have to figure out how to switch the Allen and Heath to channel 16, or write the BMT file to receive from channel 1.

 

 

Not yet. I just figured out how to comment on this thread as an answer. I’m not sure how to change the midi channel. My only guess is to use the DAW control software. Trying that now. I’ll try and get a screen shot of the log.

Here are the latest screen shots of the midi log

looks like the script is set to incoming channel 16 and outgoing channel 1.

The BMT project file is created with a very old version of BMT, and it requires a lot of editing to change the incoming channel. I am working on an updated project file where you can just select the incoming MIDI channel globally.

how could you tell which channel the allen and heath is sending?

Any status with a 0 as the second character is MIDI Channel 1. Anything with F is MIDI channel 16. Example B0 02 7F (CC 2 MIDI Channel 1 value 127-7F Hex) BF 02 7F (Same as above but MID Channel 16 90 02 7F (Note-On note 2 MIDI Channel 1 value 127) 9F 02 7F (Same as above but on MIDI channel 16 0-9 MIDI Channels 1-10 A-F MIDI Channels 11-16

Thanks, I reset the allen and heath per their instructions in the documentation on the website, will post new screen shots below. If I could rewrite the script to incoming channel 1 it may work.

Here is the most recent log after reset.

Hi,

 

Well, I switched the 2nd number in all the midi commands to 0 and it worked.  It’s sending on channel 1 now instead of 16.  Thanks so much! is there any reason why it should not be on channel 1?  One issue I’m getting in PT is that HUI is making it so all my plug in automation is enabled.  strange.. maybe i can figure it out.  Thanks so much again.

Hi, I’m glad you got it working. I’m not sure why they picked Channel 16 for incoming messages. As far as automation, being enabled, I think you might ask the Pro-tools folks that question as I don’t see that as related based on the Bome project file.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

Hi,
attached is a new version of the ZED-R16 project file for MIDI Translator Pro. It has a number of improvements, in particular, you can just set the receive channel in the Init preset (rules section).

I’d be happy if you could give it a try. You will need to edit the rules in the Init preset and set the receive channel to MIDI Channel 1:
gc=0

Thanks,
Florian

Hi, Thanks so much for sending this. I’ll give it a shot! What other improvement should I look for?

Hi,

 

I want to switch the current pan controls to AUX send controls.  Any info on how I'd do that?  I guess I'd have to capture the incoming protools info.

 

Thanks,

 

Andy

Hi

 

I'm hoping to change some of the Bome's file. I'd like instead of pans on midi controls 1-12, aux send A's 1-12.

Is there a way to get midi to ping or midi learn? I know there is, but maybe you could point me to a video or instructions on this subject?'

Thanks,

 

A

 

 

Hi again,

 

I'm trying to edit my Bome's file so that midi controls are functioning as aux send A's in  Pro Tools rather than pans 1-12.   Any help would be much appreciated.

A

Hi again,

I'm trying to edit my Bome's file so that midi controls are functioning as aux send A's in Pro Tools rather than pans 1-12. Any help would be much appreciated.

A

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SJC> I believe that Sends are controlled by the V-POTs however you need to know which HUI command changes the V-POT Behavior from PAN to send. You probably need to first use the "Send" switch command and then push the appropriate V-POT to select then assign to use  send A-E.   I'm not a HUI expert so am not sure how this would work.   Also Pro-tools might have a slightly different HUI implementation than that of an actual HUI device.

Unfortunately, I neither have a real HUI or Pro-tools to do any further testing of this particular functionality.

If you know someone that has a real HUI and uses it with Pro-tools, then maybe they will be able to assist in telling how they do this with Pro-tools normally and what MIDI messages are used.

 

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz