XTouch(Fullsize) motorized fader feedback from MA2 onPC

I am using Bome for months noe and successfully mapped several midi controllers like Apc40, Traktor F1, NanoKorg successfully BUT now Im working with motorized fader(Xtouch fullsize) and cant get the motorized feedback from MA2 onPC sofware. I did some research in this forum to get it work but no luck. First fader:

Incoming: E0 PP QQ

Ougoing: 90 68 QQ

herein attached is my mapping.

How can i send motorized fader feedback from Ma2 onPC software to Xtouch?

Hi, GrandMA2 does not feedback or send MIDI data by default. You could, however Script this in the LUA interface but it is not for the faint of heart.  Another idea is in you executors in GrandMA you could use their MIDI sendnote command and then have Bome translate that to the appropriate MIDI messages for the X-touch. GrandMA2 for PC only deals with notes so sending to GrandMA2 you have to convert to Notes and sending from GrandMA2 back you have to convert to CC or pitch bend (for Mackie MCU) or special HUI fader messages for HUI devices.

 

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

Thanks Steve for the prompt response. I am no knowledge in LUA script thing Heres my Routing in Bome MTP; INPUT: Xtouch OUTPUT: Bome Midi Translator 1 I already set in Grandma Onpc correct Midi send command: Midi Input: Bome Midi Translator 1 Midi Output: Bome Midi Translator 2 I already made routing back from MA2 onPC to Xtouch: Input: Bome Midi Translator 2 Output: Xtouch When i push faders from Xtouch, MA2 onPC respond BUT when I raise faders back from MA2 onPC, Xtouch faders won’t move and don’t respond feedback from MA2 onPC. Am I missing something?

I tried for days getting it work but no luck. I already mapped all the buttons, rotary knobs and Jog wheel. Only feedback to faders is missing.

Do you have bmtp preset for Xtouch faders? Your help will be much appreciated.

Thank you.

Assuming your Xtouch fader one responds to E0 pp qq the same as it sends. The translator would look something like this (assuming you are sending note 68H on MIDI CH1 and value of qq every type you move the fader on GrandMA for PC)

Incoming: 90 68 qq

Outgoing E0 qq qq

Notice that I send qq as both the MSB and the LSB so that I can achieve the desired 14 bit range on the fader 00 00 through 7F 7F. Although of course you only get 7 bit precision.

 

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

 

Also, if your faders are “jumping back” when you move them directly due to not getting feedback from MT Pro, of course you can set a MIDI through path in MT Pro back to your controller so that they hold their value. You might, however need to set up a translator with a delay on feedback so that you are not fighting with your fader as you move it. You should only send the message back when you are note touching the fader.

Hi Steve, i follow your guide. I added a FEEDBACK FADER PRESET but once i made new translator the faders from Xtouch is always returning to 0 and not holding value but once i disabled the new translator Xtouch faders everything goes back to normal. My routing seems correct for both ways(Xtouch and Bome Virtual Midi) I just checked log windows and it seems all my translator goes well all incoming, outgoing, midi in, midi out trigger correctly for both(Xtouch and Bome Virtual) and vice versa BUT still no motorized feedback? Why my new FEEDBACK PRESET keeps my fader down to zero and not holding value? Is there rule i need to apply?

Could you post your project file. I will have a look and test it on my Behringer Motor 49 which also has motorized faders.

Hi Steve, herein attached is my project file. Please look into it to get faders feedback working. Thank you.

Hi Steve, Herein attached is my XtouchMotorized Project file.

OK this is what I did.

Deleted Default MIDI routes BMT1 to X-touch and X-touch to BMT1 – We will use translator instead

Created alias “From GMA2” and assigned it to Bome MIDI Translator 1

Created alias “To GMA2” and assigned it to Bome MIDI Translator 1

Using Aliases usually makes things cleaner if you want to later change things. You just re-assign the alias. Also it makes it more clear what you are doing.

Set Default Ports at PROJECT LEVEL l to X-Touch1 and From GMA2 for input

Set Default Ports at PROJECT LEVEL to X-Touch1 and To GMA2 for output

Then on PRESET LEVEL  “Xtouch”, I set default input X-Touch1 for input and To GMA2 for output.  All translators in this preset will now follow  that route (overriding the project defaults), unless overridden at the TRANSLATOR LEVEL.

On PRESET Level “motorized feedback”, I set default input “From GMA2” and default output X-Touch1.  All translators in this preset will now follow  that route (overriding the project defaults), unless overridden at the TRANSLATOR LEVEL.

Finally under Preset “Xtouch”, I added translator 136 “Xtouch Motor Self Feedback”. This will provide direct fader feedback for any movement of your physical faders so that they don’t jump back to 0 after you move them.  In the rules, I look for the the upper status nibble of “E” to see if it is a fader movement and abort if it not. Otherwise I pass the message through.  I override the preset defaults with input and output both to and from X-Touch1.

// Look for fader movement
// Upper nibble of first byte shift to lower nibble
rr=oo>>4
// If it is not a fader movement “Ex” then abort
if rr!=14 then exit rules, skip Outgoing Action

I tested fader movement from BMT1 by sending notes from Bome MIDI Keyboard which I assigned output to BMT1. Project thinks it is coming “From GMA2”

 

I hope this helps!

 

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

Hi Steve, i just imported the project file you sent and Xtouch faders are holding value in correct position. BUT still when i move fader from  MA2 onPC software, Xtouch fader wont move and wont follow. I program several bank pages and once i change pages Xtouch faders should move with its assigned pages BUT still i got stock faders position.

The project file works. I tested fader movement by sending notes via Bome keyboard. You just need to program GrandMA2 to send MIDI notes when moving a fader as it will not send MIDI out by default, you will either need to script it in LUA or use the sendnote command to port BMT1. This is how I set the project file up.

Thanks Steve, I already programmed Grandma2 both Midi IN and MIDI OUT ->-> BMT1. I opened Bome Log Window and When I raised faders from Grandma2 software there is data coming back to Xtouch BUT Xtouch faders wont move and still in stock position. I dont know why Xtouch faders wont move even it was receiving Midi Notes from Grandma2 software? I think Xtouch wont understand the NOtes/Messages receiving from Grandma2.

Can you post your log with MIDI In an MIDI out so that I can see what is coming in from GMA2?

Hi Steve this is what i get(MIDI-IN, MIDI OUT) when moving faders from Grandma onPC software:

 

6646: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 1D 3A F7
6647: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 1D 3A F7
6648: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 21 42 F7
6649: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 21 42 F7
6650: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 22 45 F7
6651: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 22 45 F7
6652: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 60 41 F7
6653: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 60 41 F7
6654: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 60 41 F7
6655: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 60 41 F7
6656: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 5C 38 F7
6657: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 5C 38 F7
6658: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 5A 34 F7
6659: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 5A 34 F7
6660: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 59 32 F7
6661: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 59 32 F7
6662: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 18 30 F7
6663: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 18 30 F7

 

This is what i get when raising Xtouch Controller(MIDI-IN MIDI-OUT) Faders:

 

 

6592: MIDI OUT [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual Out]: E0 7F 19
6593: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: E0 00 19
6594: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 16 16 F7
6595: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 16 16 F7
6596: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 16 16 F7
6597: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 16 16 F7
6598: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 18 18 F7
6599: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 18 18 F7
6600: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 19 19 F7
6601: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 19 19 F7
6602: MIDI IN [X-Touch 1]: E0 70 18
6603: MIDI OUT [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual Out]: 90 68 18
6604: MIDI OUT [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual Out]: E0 00 18
6605: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: E0 70 18
6606: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 18 18 F7
6607: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 18 18 F7
6608: MIDI IN [X-Touch 1]: 90 68 00
6609: MIDI OUT [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual Out]: 90 7F 00

 

OK, well this is definitely not MIDI note data. It is System Exclusive (SysEX) messages. Could you on GMA2 take your fader to 0, then clear the Bome log file and re-capture the log while moving your fader up to maximum. Maybe I can figure out what to do with this message.

I clear the logs and raised the fader (GMA2 software) and this is the data I get:

 

1: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 43 06 F7
2: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 43 06 F7
3: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 01 31 2E 30 30 30 00 31 00 31 F7
4: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 01 31 2E 30 30 30 00 31 00 31 F7
5: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 4D 1B F7
6: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 4D 1B F7
7: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 57 2E F7
8: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 57 2E F7
9: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 60 41 F7
10: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 60 41 F7
11: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 73 67 F7
12: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 73 67 F7
13: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
14: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
15: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
16: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
17: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
18: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
19: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
20: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
21: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
22: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
23: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
24: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7

heres another fader LOgs (GMA2 Software)

 

1: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 45 0B F7
2: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 45 0B F7
3: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 01 31 2E 30 30 30 00 31 00 31 F7
4: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 01 31 2E 30 30 30 00 31 00 31 F7
5: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 4E 1D F7
6: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 4E 1D F7
7: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 54 29 F7
8: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 54 29 F7
9: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 5F 3F F7
10: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 5F 3F F7
11: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 2A 55 F7
12: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 2A 55 F7
13: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 71 62 F7
14: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 71 62 F7
15: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 36 6D F7
16: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 36 6D F7
17: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7C 79 F7
18: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7C 79 F7
19: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7E 7D F7
20: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7E 7D F7
21: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
22: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
23: MIDI IN [Bome MIDI Translator 1 Virtual In]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7
24: MIDI OUT [X-Touch 1]: F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 7F 7F F7

Try this for fader 0. If it works, we can modify the others. It looks like GMA2 is sending MIDI show control (MSC) messages. The format can be found here.

IT WORKS!!!!!! Thanks Steve!! how can i apply the same setting for the rest 8 faders?

Before I answer, are you getting the full range of motion on your single fader or are we going to need to scale it to get full range of motion.

Faders works perfect! from min to max scale!

Here is the input for Fader 0 on page 1

F0 7F 71 02 7F 06 00 01 qq rr F7

For fader 0 on the same page just change the 00 after the 06 to 01 and go all the way up from there for each fader. Then on output change them as I change the first one.

Fader 0 E0 qq rr
Fader 1 E1 qq rr
etc

If you put faders on different pages, the pages are the next number after the 00.
00 01 is fader 0 page 1
00 02 is fader 0 page 2
01 01 is fader 1 page 1
01 02 is fader 1 page 2
…

Have fun!

Steve

Thank you very much Steve! Your life saver. I’ll do some editting now. I’ll back to you if something came up. Thank you.

Hey, could you mark this as resolved?

RESOLVED MARKED!

Hi Steve, its me again.. I got the motorized fader working on each pages BUT when i change banks/pages, all faders is still placed in previous position. I need to move/touch the faders to place in their assigned position. How can i make the faders shift automatically when i change banks/pages?

 

Herein attached is the Project file i edited.

You will need to store the value of the fader in a global variable in MT Pro for each page. I assume there will be some sort of message from GMA2 indicating when you switch pages but I don’t know what that message is. When you get a page change message (whatever it is) you will want to send fader messages for each of the faders on that page based on the stored global variable values. This is pretty much beyond the scope of free support offered here but I can probably help for fee based services. If you are interested, send me an email. In either case, there will need to be some signal from GMA2 that you have switched pages (banks).

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

Hi Steve. email sent.

Hi steve, as like you mentioned before How do I store faders value to global variable in Bome MTPro for each page? I tried to find message sent by GMA2 everytime i trigger change Page(GMA2 software) BUT there is NONE. No feedback coming out from GMA2, no data in window Logs(incoming,outgoing,midi-in,midi-out). I supposed Change Page is within GMA2 software only trigger thru Midi Note(translated by MTPro). I think the only solution to get automatic faders position when change page is to assign each faders value to Global variable in MTPro for each page. Is there any tutorial how to do that?

Thanks.

No tutorial, but look at the below project file. It actually may be useful to use MSC to change fader values from your controller instead of MIDI notes. Translator 0.1 takes fader 1 value and stores it into the global variable ka (you really need to document the global variable you are using in a central place). Then it takes the value of ka and splits it up into MSC values to send to GMA2.  The idea here is to have anything that changes a fader value to store it in a variable (whether coming from your controller or GMA2). Then when changing pages/banks, you will need to have a translator cycle through the global variables used for the new bank you have selected. Since GMA2 does not send bank information until it changes a fader, you would have to look at the page that moves the fader (the MSC message), and then do a bank change in MT Pro before processing the fader movement message, in addition to storing the new fader value and sending the other new fader positions for the new bank to your controller.

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

Thanks Steve, i’ll look into it and check this project file for reference.

Steve my android phone goes nuts and presses some buttons in this site, how can i revert or change that, spam and negative goes checked? How can i delete that. Its 4am here in our country and might im a little bit sleepy and pressed some buttons not needed to.

I’ll have someone look at it and try and clean it up.

Thanks steve. I always used Midi Notes, i tried learning MSC.

OK, notes only have 128 bit resolution while pitch bend and MSC will have 32768 resolution. If resolution is not an issue, I guess that is OK but there may be some variance it the value of the global variable updated by GMA2 vs that updated by the controller sending note information to GMA2.

Thanks Steve for the info. i’ll let you know if something goes Well. 🙂

repost

Hi Steve, I tried the whole day learning MSC translation but cant get the Change Page working, can you translate the 1st or 2nd fader to MSC so I have guide translating the rest of faders?

Herein attach is my project file. I made 3 Pages Preset.

Thank you

Hi Alfred,

It appears by looking a your project file, page 1 and page 2 should move you faders, however the rest of the faders will not jump to their last known position on that page. Only the fader you are moving with GMA2. Page 3 will not work since your preset does not have your controller as the output port. Is this the behavior you are seeing? Did you see my email response regarding paid services?

Steve Caldwell
Bome Q and A Moderator and
Independent Bome Consultant/Specialist
bome@sniz.biz

Hello Steve , i just forget to assign correct output port in page3 preset.

I dont receive your email response regarding paid services.

I just resent the email. Maybe it is in your SPAM folder?

Is the behavior as I described?

I just checked my Spam folder. No mail.

Yes correct. For example when i Change Page from Page1 to Page2, all faders was still on Page1 position. I need to tap each of the Faders from GMA2 to recall the value/position of each faders. What i need to happen is when I change each pages, faders should automaticall move/follow with its assigned value/position.

Just resent the mail again.

Steve, do you have other email?.. Its 3rd time you sent mail but i dont receive anyone of them. I just checked my SPAM folder still NONE. Send me an email with your alternative email address. Let see if i can receive it now.

I’ll send from an alternate email address.

Hey, I’m getting my mail bounced back but didn’t notice until now. Could you send me another email from an alternate email address that you have and I will try and respond again.

Received your mail. I already sent reply.

Hey I'm using the same files however when I bring the fader up Bome sends a note after it's up that brings the fader back down to the start. Any idea? Bome: IN: X-Touch ext OUT: BOME MIDI 1 MA2: IN BOME 1, OUT: X-TOUCH

Hey I'm using the same files however when I bring the fader up Bome sends a note after it's up that brings the fader back down to the start. Any idea? Bome: IN: X-Touch ext OUT: BOME MIDI 1 MA2: IN BOME 1, OUT: X-TOUCH

 

Yes, GrandMA does not echo back anything you send it. If you put a static route in the MIDI router section from your X-touch back to itself, it should work fine. Mackie faders always require remote feedback to make them stick in their new positions.

 

Steve Caldwell
Bome Customer Care

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